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Siege of Windhelm by LordHayabusa357 Siege of Windhelm by LordHayabusa357
The Imperial Legion has laid a siege at Windhelm hoping to crush the rebellion at the heart of the Stormcloaks. Windhelms garrisoned about 20,000 troops, while the Imperial Legion numbers at 45,000 troops. It is the calm before the storm while Imperial soldiers await orders and the Stormcloak defends the walls of Windhelm hoping to hold out the siege before reinforcements arrives from the North. 

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happyguy1 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015
This just became my new desktop background
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I served in that battle......How glorious it was.....
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chardo527 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014
I know you love your Imperials, but please stop ALWAYS giving them the upper hand in battle in your pictures! Most Imperial foot soldiers wear light armor, not heavy armor. Maybe throw in some Stormcloaks wearing heavy armor as well would be nice. I know I can't tell you how to make your art, but it's just a suggestion from a big fan.
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StrykerMEV Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
They wear light armor in Skyrim. In Oblivion and in the times before Skyrim, they wore heavy armor. Not sure why that changed.
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patrick19942 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2014
maybe to make them easier to kill??
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bigton Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2014   Artist
Could also be because most of the Legionnaires in Skyrim (game and country) are Nords and Nords are most keen to light armors. Some exceptions, such as Rikke, but she's a Legate. 
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Chaser984 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014
I wouldn't be too keen on crossing that long, narrow bridge to the gates of the city.
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bigton Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014   Artist
Testudo formations, those are often good at keeping Legionnaires protected (Roman Empire loved them)
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Chaser984 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2014
At the prospect of holding a heavy shield several inches above my head while marching in step with several dozen others for 100+yards while the rest of the world does it's best to kill us, I'm still inclined to say, "You go first."
Defenders went out of their way to break those formations up. There are accounts of catapults being pushed off the walls to crack a tortoise shell! At length they would get soldiers to the walls, but city assaults were invariably bloodbaths.
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firelord-zuko Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Do those 45k troops include the Dovahkiin, and if yes, for how many thousand men does he/she count?
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Unit645 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013
RYSE: Son of Skyrim
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xalanthas Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I can't believe people play Legion;
So, your character was about to be executed yet "It's all good, brother, I am verrry forgiving."

And what is it with Imperials just giving up?

General Tullius (SC Final mission) = Gives up
Emperor (DB final mission) = Gives up

At least Ulfric and TinyNoseGruntyMan go down fighting.
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chaos-sandwhich Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
to be fair, your name was never on the execution list , Hadvar even protests to the Captain about it, but is overruled by her

So while I wanted to get my revenge on that Bitch of a Captain, I don't blame the Empire as a whole

Plus the Stormcloaks are massive xenophobes who mistreat other races, the Grey quarter is a slum, and the argonians aren't even aloud to go inside windhelm despite being a major part of its economy
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xalanthas Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I really like the Dunmer, despite identifying best as my Dovah-Nord, but its not like Ulfric actively harrasses them. He allows them to live within Windhelm which you must remember is the landing point of the original 500 companions who killed a whole bunch of elves.
Ironic, huh?
Sure, some Nords have noticed this and harass the dark elves, but that's not indicative of all nords. Racism is everywhere among all races. Just listen to the Redoran guard on Solstheim, regardless of what race you play (except Dunmer).

As for the Argonians, I don't really see them as a major part of the economy. That part always bothered me since they unload ships and stuff, right? Swimming around in freezing waters?
Even though they come from a hot, swamp climate?
Lore conflict!!

And as for the execution, let me put it this way: If you want your life at the mercy of men (and woman) "just following orders", be my guest.
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chaos-sandwhich Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Fair enough, Though I was also put off the stormcloaks when they tried to siege whiterun, Essentially I sided with Whiterun, the Stormcloaks attacked, they became my enemy, And because of the way the story is laid out, I have to be Imperial to progress the questlines 

If I had the choice I would prefer to go about the situation more peacefully, But thats not a Nord's way unfortunately 

The entire conflict seems to be a massive ego fest anyways, over who wants to hate the Thalmor more 
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xalanthas Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
" ... The entire conflict seems to be a massive ego fest ... "

Just like every warring nation in the REAL world, then.   XD
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Hrolfgard Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The real issue is the Thalmor threat. The Second Great war WILL come, it's just a question of who will face them. Will it be a united Empire with crack Nord troops ready to fight in Talos's name once again, or a fragmented Empire and independent Skyrim that refuse to help each other? Unity is key, and an Imperial Victory in the civil war is the only way to guarantee it.
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chaos-sandwhich Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Indeed 
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LuccianaLoL Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014   Artist
I agree, i always go for Stromcloaks. Empire becomed puppet of those retarded selfish Altmers. I play as an Nord and i want to crush those damn Elves!
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Roi-Guerrier Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2014
Would you rather the Empire have allowed the war to continue, resulting in the pointless deaths of thousands of civilians in a war they knew they couldn't win? They were at the mercy of the Thalmor because they lost, and that is not a concept alien to us. Remember post-WWI (aka, the Great War), same deal, only it allowed Hitler to rise to power, blame all of Germany's hardships on the Jews, segregate them into ghettos, and later send them to concentration camps.

Sure sounds like the rise and reign of a particular Nord rebel leader, doesn't it?
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LuccianaLoL Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014   Artist
i don't even care and i didn't even read the whole reply. I just can't wait for TESO to join the Ebonhart pact and crush the Altmeri dominion, that's it.
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I respect your decision and wish you all the best for your adventures in the Elder Scrolls Online but I would like to point out that your quest is futile. The Aldmeri Dominion is the only faction of the Three that endures until the Fourth Era. True, it was eventually defeated by Talos through Numidium after ESO but nonetheless, they've risen stronger than ever. 
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LuccianaLoL Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014   Artist
hah, i don't care how long they exist, new races come and go. Only the strongest will win. That's all
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Roi-Guerrier Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014
Fair enough.
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gryphonprince Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Not everybody regards the intro to the game as canon to their character's back story.
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theBEARDEDcanuck Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
I understand people like to roll play and make up their own story as they see fit, but the game does have it's set events and lore that is Canon for the actual story the game unfolds, whether you pretend Alduin is your faithful servant who you summoned to save you or that you were captured along with the Stormcloaks rather than what the game tells you really happened according to the story.

I have no problem with people playing however they want, it's their game after all, what I find annoying to no end is people who create a fiction about a faction like the imperials and then argue that they are the good guys when overwhelming evidence in game blatantly says they are not.

In case people have forgotten the beginning that corresponds to the in game lore is that the Stormcloaks were ambushed by Tullius outside of Darkwater crossing two days prior to your capture while entering Skyrim, it was then that the plan to bring the Stormcloaks to cyrodiil was changed and the caravan turned around and went to Helgen to quickly without regard for due process have everyone publicly executed.
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gryphonprince Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
When it comes between good guys and bad guys with Stormcloaks and Imperials, there is no definite good and definite bad. You can't say "Imperials are the badguy faction because they try to execute you at the beginning of the game!" If you've ever played an elder scrolls game before Skyrim you wouldn't be saying that. They're a government. Canonically, the dragon born gets caught up with the Stormcloaks by accident, who are ambushed by the imperial empire, because they're a rebellion (Which, mind you, involves burning villages and killing innocent civilians for being a part of the empire). This means they're wanted criminals. And they were getting executed. Yeah, the one officer lady who says you should be executed even though you're not on the list which is irresponsible, that does not at all warrant a continent-wide government being evil.

If anything, I'd say there's more evidence towards the Stormcloaks being the 'evil' faction (Keep in mind what I said earlier, with there not being any true right or wrong factions, as that's the whole point to it all.), because the Stormcloaks follow a racist ideal, while the Imperials are just trying to maintain order. The Stormcloaks are the ones who started the war.
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theBEARDEDcanuck Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
There is far more evidence as to why the empire are the villains, and the account i gave of how the dragonborn was captured is accurate according to the characters in game both imperial and Stormcloak (are they both lying?)

  Lets start with the Empire itself, it was founded through a covenant with Akatosh himself, the founding principle and law being "The Empire is law, the empire is sacred, so praise Akatosh and All the Divines as long as it be worthy" Mede agreed to violate this law, his empire is no longer worthy.
Let us also not forget how the empire treats it's allies, legion soldiers were told to abandon Morrowind during the Oblivion crisis leaving the land at the mercy of the Daedra, luckily house Redoran had been forming it's own millitary that saved the Dunmer from not only the Dremora but also the argonians a couple years later, and during the redyear when their was petty fights about who should take the throne, Skyrim acting on it's own as a free country was the only province to lend aid to the dunmer.
And of course during the Great war, after the combined forces of the empire decimated the Aldmeri forces in Cyrodiil, rather than return the favour to the redguards for liberating cyrodiil the emperor cut a deal with the dominion giving hammerfell to them, hammerfell was an allied nation, not owned by the empire but considered essentially a part of it, the emperor did not have the authority to make a deal with their land, and when the redguards rejected it and declared to keep fighting the emperor renounced them as part of the empire and withdrew all support... some thanks

As for the war in Skyrim, it was the empire that initiated armed conflict, prior to Ulfric challenging Torygg all engagements occurred in eastmarch... even afterward as darkwater crossing is in eastmarch, there are no accounts of Stormcloaks ever attacking or killing civilians... yet there are of imperial soldiers doing just that, and going unpunished. Look at Angi of Helgen, she lived in the city years ago when she was just a chiled, her parents were bording a couple imperial soldiers who one night started getting drunk and violent, Angis parents asked them to stop or leave the house, the reacted by brutally murdering them in front of their little girl, the legion didn't punish the soldiers, they just pitied the poor girl like she had done something wrong (don't worry, she grew up and got her revenge, that is why she is now on the run in Falkreath).
The empire also targets non combatants like priests. The Snowshod girl, trained as a priestess and only used her healing arts in the field was brutally cut down by the empire and left fro dead.

The only incident you will find of anyone from the Stormcloaks doing anything questionable is in a book called "The Bear of Markarth" but this book has so many inaccuracies and contradictions it can't be taken as fact (actually every NPC tells a different story than this one, even the forsworn and all their stories line up... the books do not), the true Bear of Markarth is indeed Jarl Hrolfdir of Markarth who approached Ulfric and his militia offering them free worship of Talos if they helped take back Markarth, they agreed, and no sooner did they take the city than a large contingent of thalmor arrived and demanded the arrest of Ulfric and his men, jarl Hrolfdir in an instant turned on Ulfric and had him imprisoned, it is unknown how many of his men got away, but it was only after Ulfric was in prison and Hrolfdir was in control of the city that the crimes dictated in the book started to happen.

I could go on as i've researched first hand virtually all of Skyrim, but I think I may have made my point, I could go into the mass execution of Solitudes citizens at the order of the legion but it is starting to get pretty long -'J

~May the ground you walk quake as you pass :)
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gryphonprince Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Really? That's the only questionable thing about the Stormcloaks?
You walk into Windhelm and the first thing you see is someone being oppressed and bullied by some brainwashed civilians because they're not a nord. The Stormcloak rebellion was made to represent Germany after world war one, leading into world war two. They see themselves as semi-oppressed, and then begin fanatically following one single leader based on the promise of freedom, which results in a huge war.
It doesn't matter if the Empire did that stuff, they were a government in a continental wide war with the Thalmor, which they were losing. The Thalmor was doing it to them, and the Stormcloaks would do it too, given the chance, if they weren't lead by Ulfric, as he has to maintain a false image of honour. That's another thing. Evey NPC you talk to who supports the Stormcloaks is insanely passionate about the cause, and Ulfric, as if it's all they know about. They've all been pretty much brainwashed by Ulfric's lies. A number of other NPCs though see through Ulfric's guise and know everything he's doing is pretty much for power and power alone. Brunwulf Free-Winter is the most significant NPC in this regard, as he has a lot to say about Ulfric and his cause, all of which is truth.
Dunmer are forced to live in the lowest-end of the city and, since there is no plumbing in ancient nordic cities, that's where everyone's waste flows. Yeah, Ulfric might've said the Dunmer can stay in Windhelm, but again, that was to make people all across Skyrim think he's a good guy. You talk to any Dunmer in Windhelm and ask them about it, and they say "If I knew the way we'd end up being treated when Ulfric said we could stay here, I would've kept walking". Not to mention argonians aren't even allowed IN the city. They live in one big room built into the city's wall, and that's only because they were given the room by that one family to work at their docks. The Shatter-Shields, I think. 
But if you walk into Solitude, people of all races live free and indiscriminately (except for Khajiits but that applies everywhere). Even argonians are allowed in. You can't say the Stormcloaks don't attack and kill innocent villagers for two reasons. 1. That's how you fight wars in the middle ages, and 2. Are you forgetting about the attack on Whiterun? And the attack on Windhelm by the Imperials is different, because that was to end the war entirely. The attack on Whiterun was simply because Balgruuf or Baalgruf, whatever his name is, didn't support Ulfric, because Balgruuf saw through Ulfric's guise and knew he was actually a dishonorable man. Brunwulf Free-Winter and Jarl Baalgruf are probably the truest nords in Skyrim.

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theBEARDEDcanuck Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014
I see you have yet to put any time into Skyrim, you should really check it out... I had a huge write up for you explaining most of this when I accidentally hit the esc key -'/

look into Sewers in Skyrim, they're everywhere, especially in the old Nordic cities!

The Dunmer are the cause of all of their problems in Windhelm, it is their racist attitudes in the city for the last 200 ish years.

Argonians Are allowed in the city, just not homeless in the street, Ulfrics decree took possession of an unused warehouse to act as a shelter for them

Seriously, look into Ulfrics character, you missed it completely (his is very a kin to the portayal of William Wallace in the movie BraveHeart) he didn't ever want power, just Freedom for his people.

Dunmer claim to take a neutral stance on the war yet proudly fly an imperial Banner. also look up the decree of Monument, the dunmer have it good but still complain because they have been looking down on the nords since they got to skyrim, they live in the greyquarter by choice!

Brunwulf lies and it can be proven in game, he is most likely an imperial agent ordered to undermine Ulfric and stir up trouble in windhelm (really man)

Solitude is free? Tell that to Rogvir, whos only crime was preventing a murder, and don't forget the other 22 citizens of Solitude who were executed for believing Skyrim law should be recognized and that their nation should be free.

Do you even know any of the details about the attack on whiterun?
Ulfric didn't just attack, he believed Balgruuf would come around to his senses and gave him ample time to make up his mind.
It were not fro the deceptive letter Tullius had delivered to Balgruuf to trick him into allowing the legion to occupy the city he may have sided with the Stormcloaks.
What exactly started the battle of whiterun? the Axe!
if Balgruuf sends it, it means he has sided with the empire and in doing so is telling Ulfric he stands against Skyrim and is now his enemy, Balgruuf sending Ulfrics axe back says this too, and you will note that civilians were not targeted in the attack

Wow, Brunwulf and Balgruuf are what you consider true nords?
you must have a very low opinion of nords, Brunwulf a cowardly betrayer of his land and people and Balgruuf, the man who is noted to be mentally unstable, cannot even keep his children disciplined, is easily deceived by the empire, and then eventually abandons hias children altogether... what a great man xD
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ArticunoKingFlutter Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
If I've ever seen someone get angry for no reason, it was right here. Sewers are definitely part of Skyrim and most other provinces in Tamriel, but he just said there's no plumbing. That's where their waste flows, it flows down to where all the Dunmer are FORCED to live.
"The Dunmer are the cause of all of their problems in Windhelm, it is their racist attitudes in the city for the last 200 ish years."
That's a good example of "what the fuck is he trying to say." But, sorry bud, gonna have to say no. Even if I decode that with some aphopenia cryptology mad skill shit, it still doesn't make any sense, so, no. Just no, that never happened. Jarl Ulfric is a massive cunt who is obsessive over power, I'm not sure how you don't realize that but apparently Bethesda made his powers of persuasion so high even a couple folks like yourself were brought to your knees by them, so I'll try to show you the truth.
Brunwulf a cowardly betrayer of his land? Brunwulf is courageous if I've ever seen it. To live in a city of such extreme oppression and still fight for the rights of other species? It's like going on a campaign for jews in World War II Berlin, he is definitely no coward. If Ulfric is killed, he is made Jarl and actually tries to assimilate the Argonians into Windhelm, and also tries to renovate the Gray Quarter to improve life for the Dunmer, because he's a real free-thinker, and doesn't conform to some cocky, impatient racist guy who thinks sitting on a throne in some cold, backwards-ass ancient nordic city entitles him to fuckin everthing. The book A Dream of Sovngarde is written by Skardan Free-Winter, who is a soldier who fought the Thalmor with the Empire, and seems to be a relative of Brunwulf Free-Winter. Good read, I would recommend it - oh wait, my bad, you're the skyrim extraordinaire here, I'm sure you've read it. And just to top it all off, if you kill Ulfric, when you go to Sovngarde you may speak to him, and he openly expresses that he actually regrets what he did. Oh, and don't insult Balgruuf, he's top bro tier.
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gryphonprince Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Chill out dude, no need to be a passive aggressive dickhead. I've played over 1000+ hours of Skyrim on console alone and have over 15 characters. 4000+ in Oblivion on pc with 8 characters 500+ in Morrowind on PC, and 100+ in Daggerfall. I've also read both Elder Scrolls novels.
And there's no proof to say that Argonians are allowed in Windhelm, unless you're talking about if the player chooses to play as an argonian, which is purely for playability. You can even play as a Khajiit and enter any city because Bethesda didn't want to give anyone a hard time.
The thing about the waste flowing into the grey-quarter is a fact. Multiple NPCs in Windhelm say "the dunmer live in the grey quarter which is where all of the cities waste ends up". Also I'm not sure what you mean when you say that the Dunmer choose to live in the grey quarter. Just about every dunmer in windhelm you can talk to talks almost entirely about how much they hate it there and wish they could leave the city.
I'm not going to bother trying to argue with the rest of the points you listed because I can barely understand what you're trying to say at this point. I don't get why you can't understand that there is no evil faction or good faction. Both sides have their pros and their cons. Both sides have done questionable things, which, again, is a part of war. But the way I see it is
The Empire: A government which is trying to maintain order, the only reason they banished the worship of Talos was because it was the only thing they could do to prevent the Thalmor from winning the war
The Stormcloaks: A rebellion which is fighting for their religious rights and freedoms, which is honourable, but will weaken the overall Empire in Tamriel, putting the lives of everyone else outside of skyrim at risk. Not to mention the whole "skyrim belongs to the nords thing", with hardcore segregation intentions
There are multiple NPCs in the game who can provide an opinion on Ulfric's true intentions, backed with facts. I'd list them for you if I had a photographic memory, and if I wasn't pretty drunk at the moment.

You walk into the Imperial City, and people of every race can be seen everywhere, finely dressed and civilized, being treated equally (apart from a small amount of discrimination by a few individuals). You walk into Windhelm, and all the Dark Elf refugees are forced to live in a slum, and argonians get one tiny room. (Not to mention the only reason the argonians even get to live there is because they're employed by that Shatter-Shield guy.)

I'm done with this argument, I think. I have no problem with the Stormcloaks, I think they're pretty cool, but when people think that the Empire is some big looming evil organization that exists purely to cause chaos, and the Stormcloaks are just some noble freedom-fighters it pisses me off.
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xalanthas Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
LOOOOL
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gryphonprince Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
What?
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xalanthas Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Dude, I'll be honest, I don't even remember the question.
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Skianous Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I played Legion on my game because my Nord doesn't want the Aldmeri Dominion to invade his country and destroy Tamriel, which is bound to happen if the Stormcloaks win the war. Think about it : Skyrim becomes independant, which means it is no longer protected by the White-Gold Concordat. And what could the Stormcloaks possibly do against an army of elven battlemages ?

The player's failed execution was an illegal decision from one officer who sent an innocent man to the block without the consent of her general... While I understand why it angered a lot of players, that imperial bitch isn't representative of the whole Legion.

Also, the Emperor "gave up" because he knew there was no escape from the Brotherhood and wanted to die with dignity.
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xalanthas Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I see your point!

See, my Nord isn't proud like the others, but you have to admit (illegal or not) you can't just join up with people who tried to execute you. No one is that forgiving.

And remember that Skyrim would not stand alone against the Dominion. Yeah, they would take quite a beating, but remember that Skyrim also has Hammerfell on it's side - The Redguard LOATHE those elves - and if Skyrim falls, Hammerfell is next on the kill list. It would be really foolish for the Redguard not to come to our aid, seeing how unity would be in their best interest.

The Orcs, even though they are uninterested inside their fort walls, will mobilize because while living under a Nord banner doesn't grant them any favor with the locals, living under an elvish one would be much much worse for their health. And since there is one stronghold in every territory, they would at the very least protect their immediate area from Elven incursion. (Or, through Elven political maneuvering, raise arms AGAINST the Nords...You never know). Orcs would be a wild-card.

Don't forget the Dark Evles! ... actually, forget the Dark Elves; Ulfric treats 'em like shit. Yet, since Dovah-Nord liberated Solstheim, maybe House Redoran will be willing to grant some elite specialist troops to fortify Windhelm...

I dunno ... Imperials just don't seem to be doing their job correctly.

And Vikings rock.

AAAaand dignity or no, I still think the Emperor should have at the very least set a trap or something. What kind of Leader doesn't become the target for assassination?
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Skianous Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You have a lot of good arguments here, that's not something I could see very often from pro-Stormcloaks.

Yes, you are right, if Hammerfell and Skyrim unite and if the Orcs and Redoran come to help, Skyrim could stand a chance... Maybe the new Emperor could also do the thing Titus Mede II did to protect Hammerfell just after the great war : sending troops of "deserters" in Skyrim.

It could make for a balanced army; Nord and Redguard warriors, Orc berserkers, Dunmeri battlemages... Let's hope they could get along to fight together but the Ebonheart Pact showed it was perfectly possible.

So yes, you really have goods arguments here; most Stormcloak players I talked with only used the failed execution as an argument (and I mean it : they literally had no other reason to side with Ulfric, some of them even being argonian or dunmeri !) and others had no knowledge of the Lore whatsoever (a lot thought the Empire invaded Skyrim and banned the Nords' religion).

Still, I personally couldn't side with Ulfric... He's done atrocious things in the past (don't get me wrong, I know the Empire also has a darker side) and gives me the feeling he's no more than an opportunist hypocrite who uses the ban of Talos as an excuse to go to war, liberate Skyrim... And become the new High King after replacing every Imperial-aligned Jarl with a Stormcloak supporter. Before his rebellion, everybody could freely worship Talos; the Emperor knew but let it be. Also, if you side with the Stormcloaks, general Tullius dies... And from what is said in the game, he's a brilliant tactician. Such a man would be a precious asset in a war against the Dominion.

For the Emperor, I still like the way he accepted his fate; it remembered me of that good ol' Uriel VII.
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xalanthas Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, alot of SC players ... yeah ... I read their arguments on forums and mega facepalm myself.

And I like the way Dengeir of Stuhn (of Falkreath) puts it in regards to following Ulfric and the Stormcloaks: "I know he's a power hungry, cold hearted bastard, but he's the devil I know! Does that put it plainly enough for you?" BUT Ulfric did allow Elisef to remain on the throne of Solitude; guess that's something. Either it was a good hearted motive on Ulfric's part OR it's simply because she's really attractive and Ulfric wants to move in on that royal hotness. He is a Nord, after all.

I keep reading on these murders that Ulfric committed, but I don't remember which; I'm going to have to bone up on lore UNLESS you're referring to the Markarth/Reachmen conflict. Unfortunately, I hold no sympathy for the men and women of the Reach. Yeah, what was done to them was monstrous, but since they decided to start worshipping devils and hagravens and replacing body parts with plants I can't say they are the same people as they were before. However, I do sympathize with Ainethach of Karthwasten. That's a Reachman I always help out.

Tullius may be a brilliant tactician, but I believe that he made a fatal error in underestimating Ulfric at the onset of the conflict. As the game progresses, he begins to see how serious the civil war becomes, and he seems to be stressed between holding territories and political maneuverings on Elisif's behalf, since the poor girl has no idea what she's doing. Rikke was awesome, though, I felt bad for her. I didn't even kill Tullius, I thought we were letting him go, but then Ulfric... sigh...

I'm enjoying this :) What did you think of the Dawnguard expansion?
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Skianous Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I still have to play the DLCs; I just finished the main quest with my Nord. But I'm looking forward to playing Dragonborn, it looks promising. I'd better level up a bit before in challenge Miraak and Karstaag, though ! And I'll probably side with the Dawnguard on my main file. Last time my Nord was turned into a vampire... It didn't end well for the half of Whiterun :/

I think Ulfric allows Elisif to keep the throne because killing/chasing her from Solitude after he killed her husband and started a war wouldn't be good for his public image. And yes, there's also a good chance that he'd like to show her his "warhammer".
 
Yes, I was talking about the Reachmen but still, what Ulfric did (slaughtering every person, children and elders alike, who didn't want to join him - some of them being Nords too) is unforgivable. It also makes him look like a hypocrite; he wants to "free" Skyrim but killed in cold blood those who wanted to free the Reach. There goes his credibility... Although I do have to say that, even if I have sympathy for the early forsworn, their descendants are quite an annoyance.

Tullius underestimated Ulfric for two reasons : 1, he didn't have much men by his side (most of the Legion was still in Cyrodiil) and 2, he doesn't have a good knowledge of the Nord culture and probably thought of the Stormcloaks as brainless barbarians. But I still believe that the Legion would have won the Civil War; Stormcloaks are some sort of guerilleros : they have a good knowledge of their country but lack organization.
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Morgan1501 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2013
How did you make them hold spears like that?
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shadowthewerewolf Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I do declare I support the Empire. BRING IT NORDS.
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theBEARDEDcanuck Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013
A True Nord doesn't back down from a challenge poodle man -'J
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shadowthewerewolf Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Try it!
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theBEARDEDcanuck Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013
time and place man, chose the weapon
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shadowthewerewolf Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
My moms backyard foam swords because they don't hurt. :P
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theBEARDEDcanuck Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2013
C'mon, no pain no gain, I make some pretty solid wooden swords, they wont cut, but they hit like a bat -'J
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shadowthewerewolf Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
We Imperials are stronger then you give us credit for Nord, I shall break your jaw!
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theBEARDEDcanuck Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2013
It is not you strength or your courage I question, but your participation in genocide by bowing to the will of the thalmor!
Why the emperor didn't allow the empire to crush the dominion when they lay broken and bloody before us, instead choosing to give them everything they wanted, things that we all stood up against! once the emperor had his throne back, though nords and redguards fought and died to regain it, Mede gave the thalmor hammerfell, what kind of thanks is that? and in the battle of red ring, the tree armies were bolstered with the nord legions of Skyrim and Jonah's legion was primarily Nord legions, our people fought hard, bled and spilt blood for the empire, even as our home land was besieged by wicked men, and what reward was fitting our noble sacrifice?~ The outlawing of our greatest Hero and God TALOS!

I have right on my side, you have only an empire that has forgotten the sacred laws the empire was founded upon, I know victory is not assured, but my Honour is unstained... Talos Guide You.
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miha9000 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013
added to 3D concepts in Sci-fi Archives  sci-fi-archives.deviantart.com…
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